Where can I do a PhD in bioelectricity? Or in other niche topics.

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Many young people are fascinated by the promise of bioelectricity research and email me to ask where they can join a PhD program that focuses on this area. Here is my general advice.

I dream of the day when you can actually do a PhD in a bioelectricity program. That day is not today; to my knowledge, there are no interdisciplinary programs focused on this topic. There are some excellent individual labs though, that do work in aspects of developmental bioelectricity. For example: AiSun Tseng, Wendy Beane, Min Zhao, Emily Bates, Matt Harris, and others (my lab is not currently taking new PhD students).

However, more generally, you do not need to do your PhD in bioelectricity, even if that is your dream for your research future. Your PhD years are a good time to gain critical skills in related fields – biophysics, bioengineering, cell physiology, developmental biology, etc. Also, to mature in the general areas of posing and answering scientific questions, planning experimental approaches, critically analyzing data, honing your intuition to recognize worthwhile hypotheses that may not be obvious to others, and getting that sense of balance of how far and when to stray from mainstream ideas and place bets on yourself.

My advice is: join an excellent department where you will gain those skills and experience; learn the current paradigm’s rules and concepts so that you can break them as needed in your future independent work. Use your PhD to build your toolbox, and then push your passion when you are a post-doc and an independent PI. That’s not to say that you shouldn’t look for a PhD project that lights you up – you absolutely should. But it doesn’t need to already be the big thing that you want to devote your career to, just something that builds your skillset and gives you the needed skills, contacts, and experience in managing success and failure.

That is what I did. I joined Cliff Tabin’s lab in 1992, and spent the next 4 years learning mainstream (but state-of-the-art) approaches in developmental genetics. I knew this would not be what I worked on later, but that was ok because there was so many useful things to learn. I mostly kept my plans and deeper interests to myself, as it was obvious that this was a time to talk less and listen more – lots of useful skills to absorb, and plenty of gaps in knowledge and approach in the field to notice and file away for later. Also there was little chance that anyone was going to listen to wild ideas from a young student who didn’t have a track record yet of producing anything impactful. Use your PhD to develop a history of competence and credibility, and then expand from that base when in a position with more freedom and knowledge. You want a project in which you can begin to hone your intuition, and get a better idea of when is the right time to listen to smart people and when is the right time to pursue things only you can see yet even if everyone else says there’s nothing there. And most of all, you want an excellent mentor who will provide the guidance and space for you to develop (that is more important than which school they are at). It’s also a good time to learn to benefit from the wisdom of people you respect without having to fully take on their vantage-point.

Likewise, for people wanting to work on some other emerging topics, such as diverse intelligence, etc. Things are a bit better here, with some departments and programs having an interdisciplinary scope that includes neuroscience beyond neurons. But again, don’t despair if you can’t find the ideal department stocked with people who want to support your unconventional work – it rarely works that way for new approaches. At best, you will find one or a handful of local allies; much more frequently, you will build your “circle” which will be geographically distributed. You will get experience to understand which community is the right one for you; often, it’s no existing community – you will make plans to build one, especially if you want to work in a novel emerging field. Meanwhile, you study, grow, and learn to understand the landscape and where the opportunities lie, keeping your future path under wraps while you mature the personal tools needed to advance or disrupt, according to your vision. And that is totally alright.

19 responses to “Where can I do a PhD in bioelectricity? Or in other niche topics.”

  1. Tony Budding Avatar
    Tony Budding

    Sage advice, sir! Careers are multi-decade endeavors, and what a great depiction of how to go from being an ambitious student to a leading scientist pushing the boundaries of knowledge.

    It’s easy to discount the importance of the fundamentals (in any field). Many people believe that because beginners start with fundamentals, that fundamentals are beginning level training. However, the best performers and most innovative are those who can execute the fundamentals better than others in the extreme situations. We have to know the rules and why they’re there before we can break them effectively.

    I love your list (the general areas of posing and answering scientific questions, planning experimental approaches, critically analyzing data, honing your intuition to recognize worthwhile hypotheses that may not be obvious to others, and getting that sense of balance of how far and when to stray from mainstream ideas and place bets on yourself). I would add that one of the main obstacles to achieving the second half of the list is the human tendency toward confirmation bias. We all want to be right, so we seek evidence that supports it. But this limits the clarity of our insights (and life doesn’t care what we want), so true innovation requires us to remove ourselves and see things for what they really are. The Scientific Method is designed to remove ourselves from the equation, but we all know how easily self-interest and bias creep back in. It’s hard to talk about integrity, but if you lack it in your research, you’re mainly limiting your own success.

    I also love “I mostly kept my plans and deeper interests to myself, as it was obvious that this was a time to talk less and listen more – lots of useful skills to absorb, and plenty of gaps in knowledge and approach in the field to notice and file away for later.” We have twice as many ears as mouths for a reason, and we can’t talk and learn at the same time. Brilliant!

  2. Alain Schaerer Avatar
    Alain Schaerer

    What about for Software Engineers, decent at math, no biology background?

    Just get right into your starter pack: https://thoughtforms.life/starter-pack-introductory-materials-to-my-labs-academic-work/ ?

    Or do you have something else to recommend? Would you say that studying “mainstream biology” is advised for someone like that? Or right into modeling with more mathematics based material?

    Personally, I don’t like the lack of mathematical / measurable substance when reading mainstream biology books. Whenever I read them, it just seems like the author’s just repeats what he learned in school (or at best observed from an experiment). Every time I ask myself: So what do I do with that information now? Can I predict behavior at least with that? Not sure if you think the same.

    1. Alain Schaerer Avatar
      Alain Schaerer

      And I maybe should state my goal here. The goal is to apply the knowledge to my day to day life, but also measure the outcomes in some way.
      My health is excellent, but I want to optimize my health even more with your research.

    2. Mike Levin Avatar
      Mike Levin

      Yeah starter pack is fine, you can also go to https://drmichaellevin.org/publications/computational.html . You need enough biology to know what the open problems are (but basic courses often don’t show you that anyway). Artificial Life is a good field for that sort of thing. And yes, I agree with you on the “what do I do with the information now” metric. I say this to my developmental biology students: how much of this heavy dev bio textbook is helpful to the engineer who wants to use these principles to make self-healing robots (for example) – which info here is actually deep enough that it can provide substrate-invariant design inspiration for other fields? Usually, very little still.

    3. Lio Hong Avatar
      Lio Hong

      It’s cool to see another person interested in the intersection of computer science and biology. Coincidentally as Dr Levin mentioned, maybe you might find Artificial Life as a good field to meet like-minded individuals. I could share the link to our community which has people from both academia and industry.

      (Hope this self-sharing isn’t against the rules for this blog, or I can take this offline.)

      1. Mike Levin Avatar
        Mike Levin

        Definitely share the link! ALIFE is an excellent community. One of the most open-minded in my experience.

    4. Lio Hong Avatar
      Lio Hong

      Here Alain, this is the link to the Emerging Researchers in Artificial Life community: https://discord.gg/aye7Ag3P

      There’s a few members with similar backgrounds as yourself with cool projects.

      1. Alain Schaerer Avatar
        Alain Schaerer

        Wow, thaks a lot guys! Will take a look at it shortly here

  3. Alejandro Espinosa Avatar

    This is a very timely text.
    Thanks , thanks , thanks !!!!!

  4. Colin Avatar
    Colin

    Thanks for this perspective Dr. Levin!

    “Things are a bit better here, with some departments and programs having an interdisciplinary scope that includes neuroscience beyond neurons.”

    Would you be able to name a department/lab/person or two that would fit into this description? I’d love to look into it.

    1. Mike Levin Avatar
      Mike Levin

      Some of my favorite people are here: https://drmichaellevin.org/resources/otherlabs.html . Obviously this is just a subset, but check them out – some are in great departments. Look for “Complexity Science”, “Interdisciplinary neuroscience”, and terms like that. I think my former post-doc Daniel Lobo https://biology.umbc.edu/directory/faculty/person/dq02490/ is in a very forward-thinking department, as is Ted Pavlic: https://search.asu.edu/profile/1995237.

      1. Colin Avatar
        Colin

        Thank you!

  5. yara Avatar
    yara

    Thanx alot Professor!
    Are there any bioelectrcity groups or researchers in Europe you may suggest? Esp. Germany and the UK?

    Also, what do you think about this group work?
    https://mpl.mpg.de/research-at-mpl/independent-research-groups/kayser-research-group

    I would appreciate it, thank you very much.
    Haya

    1. Mike Levin Avatar
      Mike Levin

      Some of my favorite labs are here: https://drmichaellevin.org/resources/otherlabs.html
      The Kayser lab looks great, I don’t know them personally.

      1. yara Avatar
        yara

        Thank you very much!

  6. yara Avatar
    yara

    Dear Michael,

    Do you have now phd vacancies for the new spring intake 2025?

    Thank you so much for all your vaulable work.

    1. Mike Levin Avatar
      Mike Levin

      Thank you; unfortunately no, I am completely full for PhD spots.

      1. yara Avatar
        yara

        Thank you for the reply, most kind of you.

  7. Dhiksha Mohan Avatar
    Dhiksha Mohan

    Oh my god! This is exactly what I wanted to hear. I’m in this endless pursuit of searching for a PhD in plant and root bioelectricity, self organisation and fundamentals of morphologensis. I’m an electrical engineer with a masters degree in nature inspiration, but still I feel I don’t belong to the PhD positions or groups that doesn’t envision something that I see or am curious about. Thank you for the nudge of creating a toolbox!

    I’ve a spreadsheet globally distributed, completely unrelated yet related research groups and ideas, like weaving the non-existing community as you said.

    Your words reiterates the words of madam Curie to me – Be less curious about people (schools and topics in this context) and more curious about ideas

    Thank you, Dr.

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