Life after Death: in another world, at another scale

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The understanding that we are essentially collective intelligences – real Selves, but composed of smaller competent agents (not passive parts) has many implications for the notions of “life” and “death”. Some of these are covered in this paper. Here, I wanted to draw some connections between an interesting development in cell biology and recent work in synthetic morphoengineering.

An exciting new research area is emerging – the thanatotranscriptome. In brief, cells from a human or non-human animal, at death, start to turn on expression of specific new genes. Why do cells turn on new genes? Why these specific genes? What, if anything, do they do? What is the evolutionary significance of this? Is it adaptive, or a side-effect of some other aspect of animal biology? There is an excellent team of scientists studying these and other questions; find their work here:

I have an idea about why this occurs. I think the cells are preparing for a new life – in another world, at another scale. In the case of aquatic animals, this expectation is not at all crazy. For mammals and birds, it’s quixotic, with realistic expectations not having caught up yet with their change of environment. To understand the idea, consider the following.

Imagine yourself on an interplanetary expedition, investigating an aqueous world that harbors life. There are multicellular creatures, and amoeba-like ones. Eventually you learn to sequence their hereditary information, and are stunned to find out that some of the single-cell life forms have precisely the same genomes as some of the complex vertebrate-like animals, which also matches that of a set of primitive multicellular forms with diverse blob-like anatomies. How can that be? Upon further study you discover an aquatic animal with a surprising life cycle. They develop from an egg and undergo embryogenesis to become a complex multicellular body. They live a full life, moving and reproducing through their ecosystem. However, upon death, something remarkable happens: as the body falls apart, many of the individual cells disband, dispersing to move out into the environment to continue their life as amoebas. You find that these amoebas can eventually also merge together (having recombined with others they encounter, like slime molds do) and form a new kind of primitive multi-cellular aggregate. At the same time, some others activate reprogramming factors to become oocytes, eventually becoming fertilized and initiating embryogenesis of the complex anatomical form.

I don’t know if this cycle occurs naturally with any life form on Earth, but the pieces of it exist and it’s interesting to think about what it means for the concept of “death”. While an organism dies, the individual cells could live on. While initially surprising, there is nothing inherently impossible about such a life history. Vertebrate bodies already contain a number of amoeba-like cells (immune cells for example), and we culture explanted cells in liquid media (ex vivo) all the time. One can easily imagine an evolutionary advantage to lineages with cells that, although capable of cooperating in a multicellular form factor, continue their journey through the world as unicellular organisms when the body is no longer viable as a whole. Perhaps they turn on some oncogenes (becoming partially “transformed”, like some cell lines), and turn off adhesion factors and gap junction proteins, to become solitary beings with unlimited proliferation potential. More generally they may revert to a more ancient unicellular transcriptional program, as cancer cells do. The unicellulars in the story above exploit the kind of niches in which amoebas flourish on Earth, but can also reboot their multicellularity by aggregation into novel functional, anatomical forms.

We actually do have two real examples of relevant phenomena. The first is the Xenobots: synthetic living proto-organisms made from frog epithelial cells; you can see them at our Institute web page. Xenobots can be created from a dissociation of cells in an early frog blastula. In that case, the original organism is no more. The individual cells live on, and eventually can get back together into a multicellular form that swims, reacts to stimuli, builds copies of itself from loose epithelial cells provided to it, and has other behaviors. They can live for weeks, if fed, undergoing changes in body structure.

The second are the Anthrobots, discussed in a previous post. These are made from lung epithelial cells of human adult donors – about as far from amphibian, embryonic sources as possible. They too result in spherical, self-motile little creatures with several discrete behavior types and the ability to heal neural wounds. In this case, they can be made from tissue from living patient biopsies, or from donated tissues post-mortem. In the latter case, it is again an interesting example of a (in this case, human) organism living on through its cells when the original embodiment has dissolved.

There is one key difference between Xenobots and Anthrobots. Xenopus cells, could, with minimal changes, complete the transformation on their own (after the death of a tadpole for example). But the human lung epithelium cells cannot – there is no way they will survive in the non-aqueous environment of their mammalian host, once the body dies. They require a death doula, in the form of a bioengineer, to transfer them from their former embodiment to their new world. The problems they will solve – physiological, transcriptional, metabolic, behavioral – will be different than their former lives. And the scale of organization of the cells, and then the bots, is different than their prior embodiment. But they do live on.

Continuing the vignette above… You decide to test these animals’ cognitive capacities and notice that they can learn in associative and instrumental training assays. Using simple surgical transplants, and exploiting these animals’ Axolotl-like regenerative capacity, you then find that you can transfer their memories (e.g., association of specific colors with food) from a trained donor to a naïve host by transplanting brain tissue or even extracts (both of which has been done, see references 24-27 in this paper). Likewise, you find that the individual amoebas can learn in simple assays, as has been shown for slime molds on Earth.

You wonder: would amoebas resulting from a trained body’s death retain the information as individuals? Conversely, would an assemblage of such individually-trained amoebas result in an organism that remembered the in- formation? Could learning be propagated between cells, and could the information transcend levels of organization between single cells and a whole organism? Could a collective synthesize individual, simple memories of their cells into a compound, complex memory for the whole? Whose memories would they be? What happens if two cells with different memories (say, positive and negative associations with a specific stimulus) joined into a single body – what is it like to be a creature whose parts have distinct views of the past and thus of their world? Could some human somatic disease and psychological disorders be due to something like this? Should true memories of an associatively-trained animal be considered false memories in the host that inherits them via transplantation or aggregation, since that Subject has never actually experienced the association they now remember? Could genetically-engineered lines of fish or frogs be made with circuits that cause cells to disengage from each other and turn off replication limits, once they detect the cessation of heartbeat or brain signals in the host – resulting in a weird kind of immortality for these animals? These are all questions that we can now address experimentally, to track the flow of information – both morphological and behavioral – as it flows through the impermanent, plastic, fluid constructs we call bodies. Planaria are especially a great model because fragments of planaria are viable and immortal; planarian tissues can be transplanted and the worms can be trained to form memories. So much to do.

There are way more questions than answers about these fundamental issues of embodied minds and the active information that animates them. But one thing is clear – there can be life after death, it just takes on new forms.


Featured image by GPT-4. Life cycle figure image by Jeremy Guay of Peregrine Creative.

38 responses to “Life after Death: in another world, at another scale”

  1. William Lamkin Avatar

    This is quite a thought provoking post. I appreciate the insights. It’s wild to think about the implications of cell behavior after the collective goal of maintaining a whole body is no longer viable. There are so many interesting experiments within this niche to be carried out!

  2. Sergio Almécija Avatar

    Interesting follow-up on your 2021 paper! What keeps coming to mind is the matter of the “self.” Every cell in the body can communicate with its neighbors (or far away in the case of neurons). So, can we assume that our notion of “self” is made up of all our cells?

    But people missing large parts of their body still are the same “self,” aren’t they? I guess that’s why the widespread notion that our “selves” are in our brains. But the brain can contain more than one personality, too…

    Any ideas or directions about where to read more about this?

  3. Amir Avatar

    Continued thanks for these thought provoking, mind expanding posts 🙏

  4. Maria Fátima Pereira Avatar
    Maria Fátima Pereira

    Obrigada pela partilha de mais um Bom artigo.
    Incrivel, mesmo!!!

  5. Teemu Kupiainen Avatar
    Teemu Kupiainen

    Wau…dreams will be wild tonight.

  6. Mardi Avatar
    Mardi

    Mind bending. Makes me wonder about caterpillar to butterfly metamorphosis – could the pupa stage be considered a kind of ongoing death process as cells die and re-form into a butterfly? I need to read…

    1. Mike Levin Avatar
      Mike Levin

      Oh yes! Philosophy 101 question – “what’s it like to be a butterfly” (or bat); the real question: what’s it like to be a caterpillar *turning into* a butterfly in real time? Makes the changes of puberty we humans go through seem fairly minor.
      http://bio.biologists.org/content/5/9/1177.long
      https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/19420889.2015.1073424

  7. Benjamin L Avatar
    Benjamin L

    Very cool. Naively, there’s a sort of “life after death” for human organizations and relational structures, where even if those organizations or relationships go away, the individual humans persist, and carry with them memories that allow them to at least partially reconstruct those organizations/relationships when they interact with other humans they haven’t met before. I don’t how much this tells us about cells, but perhaps it suggests that the principle is sound.

  8. Benjamin L Avatar
    Benjamin L

    > What happens if two cells with different memories (say, positive and negative associations with a specific stimulus) joined into a single body – what is it like to be a creature whose parts have distinct views of the past and thus of their world?

    This is a question I’m very interested in because it’s very important in economics as well. What is it like to be a society where people have distinct views of the relative scarcities of some commodity? Economies use systems like the price system to pass information in ways that cause everyone to come into agreement and share the same priors. I’m intrigued by the possibility of modeling organisms as being economies of cells, where perhaps bioelectricity substitutes for prices.

    1. Mike Levin Avatar
      Mike Levin

      cool. It’s also related to the bigger issue of chimeras, at different scales:
      https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S266729012100098X?via%3Dihub

  9. Mark Heyer Avatar

    Nice. It makes sense that the first uni-cellular organisms needed a fundamental “drive to survive.” As they joined complex structures, other morphogenic functions were added, with survival becoming the responsibility of the superorganism. However, when the big guy quits, the surviving cells might revert to their roots and start the process over in whatever way makes sense. For us human cultural organisms, it would be back to Adam and Eve.
    I look forward to your further insights.

  10. Helen Asetofchara Avatar
    Helen Asetofchara

    You would rather try cells from this sample https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dashi-Dorzho_Itigilov for bot formations.

  11. Lio Hong Avatar
    Lio Hong

    I’m a lifelong Dune fan, so this instantly brought to mind the complex life cycle of the sandworm, which is kind of a colonial organism comprised of multitudes of its larval form, the sandtrout. When killed by water poisoning, the sandtrout break off and swim away to start the life cycle anew.

    Another less fictional example which I also stumbled upon were transmissible mussel cancers, which are basically cancerous cells that can survive outside the body and infect other mussels, even of different species. I was pleased when you mentioned them in one of your recent talks as well. Also not to forget the (in)famous Hela cells and other immortal cell lines.

  12. Vicente Sanchez-Leighton Avatar
    Vicente Sanchez-Leighton

    Is the pdf for the paper you mention in the first paragraph available free somewhere ? https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0006291X20320064

    1. Mike Levin Avatar
      Mike Levin

      I’m not sure (at some point the journal will make it free access) but meantime, email me and I’ll send you the PDF.

  13. NE Avatar
    NE

    I’m glad I found this interesting blog!

    A few unanswerable but thought provoking questions:
    – where is the memory stored? Is it local or in some cloud?
    – if in some cloud format, do cells when recombined with previous neighbours, ‘remember’ collectively which part of the cloud to access;
    – when a body dies, if the cells are able to survive and the majority stay within a certain area, could these be taken up by growing plants, worms, birds etc, whereupon they recombine? Obviously it would only be a small number of the cells but could there be enough to collectively rejoin together and access former memories?
    – could this be an explanation for reincarnation, i.e. a bird ‘feels’ some connection to a person and stays around them because they have been created from enough of a relative’s former cells to create a tiny collective memory or their former life? Perhaps an instinctual memory that being near that person produces a good feeling etc

    1. Mike Levin Avatar
      Mike Levin

      Great questions. I don’t think they are unanswerable though – we have the technology now to test them in the lab; I actually think we’ll get answers to many of these.

      1. NE Avatar
        NE

        I look forward to reading about it! What is your view on where the memories are stored? local, cloud or mixture. If in a cloud, what is that? Some kind of electrical field?

        1. Mike Levin Avatar
          Mike Levin

          At this point, we don’t know. My suspicion is that what the nervous system does is interpret the activities of cells all the way down through the organelles and below as a kind of multiscale reservoir (in the sense of reservoir computing). In other words, I don’t think there’s a single memory medium, I think it’s everywhere. But that’s just a guess at this point.

      2. NE Avatar
        NE

        Another thought – the bioelectric patterns that guide the organs into place (e.g. even with the deformed tadpoles) – are these a scaffolding pattern or something that can traverse time (i.e. guiding the organs to where they WILL end up not where they SHOULD end up)

  14. Mike Levin Avatar
    Mike Levin

    In our planarian paper https://authors.elsevier.com/sd/article/S0006349517304277 we show that the pattern can indicate a future state – a counterfactual description of the future worm, not what it’s doing now or what the genetic default says it should be.

  15. Oleg Avatar
    Oleg

    It is wonderful that we can see and realize such an amazing possibility of living organisms. But now it’s even more interesting and important to understand why nature didn’t follow this path 🙂

    1. Mike Levin Avatar
      Mike Levin

      Well, I think what nature (evolution) did is to create flexible, problem-solving, agential machines. These have a default mode of action in normal, default circumstances, but are capable of many other modes that we can discover with bio-prompting and other kinds of bioengineering. It’s natural in that sense, it’s just not the default activity for that hardware.

      1. Oleg Avatar
        Oleg

        This seems a good guess, but I, perhaps due to my little knowledge in this area, have not yet come across anything that nature would do “in reserve.”, to use it later. Usually it is something that was used before, but then, under evolutionary pressure, it was abandoned.

        1. Mike Levin Avatar
          Mike Levin

          I’ve written about a number of examples of capabilities to solve problems that evolutionary lineages have never seen before. Our biobots are another example (since there’s never been selection to be a good Xenobot or Anthrobot, as they’ve never existed in history).

  16. […] do.  Binary categories rarely work well, I think.  Here’s a bit on “death”:   https://thoughtforms.life/life-after-death-in-another-world-at-another-scale/ . I think what we call “life” are things that are good at scaling up the proto-cognitive […]

  17. Andrea Avatar
    Andrea

    Ben Bova wrote about such creatures in Leviathans of Jupiter, if you are interested in some science fiction colony rebirth.

  18. Eric Bacus Avatar

    So happy I found your blog, and doubly happy to see you responding to comments! Forgive me if this is overly specific, but can I ask you your thoughts on how we might use your research to help overcome the effects of a disease like aicardi goutieres syndrome or Hereditary Spastic Paraplegia? Thanks so much for all you do in the name of progress and healthcare.

    1. Mike Levin Avatar
      Mike Levin

      hmmm I don’t know much about those two, but I’ll check into it and reply back if I have any thoughts on it. It’s not super likely, but you never know.

  19. Alexander Neshmonin Avatar
    Alexander Neshmonin

    Unfortunately, I first came across one of your, Professor Levin’s, interviews on YouTube only last year. I wish I had known about your ideas and research earlier. I regret even more that I found this blog only now – I should have looked for it immediately after my first YouTube encounter.

    Most exciting post: interesting research, interesting conclusions. But it seems to me that before asking questions about “life after death,” we need to answer the questions:

    1. What is Life?
    2. What is Not-Life?
    3. What does the transition from Life to Not-Life represent?
    4. What does the transition from Not-Life to Life represent?

    Moreover, these questions need to be answered not at the biology level but at the philosophy level.

    1. Mike Levin Avatar
      Mike Levin

      Thanks; however, I have a different opinion. I believe trying to answer these questions in advance of doing research leads to categories that seem plausible to us, but miss the deep reality. People have been arguing about what is life and non-life for a long time, ending up with (useless) binary categories, and other concepts that do not help move anything forward. I think philosophy is important, but only together in a feedback loop with the science – we can’t *answer* anything in philosophy divorced from experiments; philosophy is a great tool to aid research but philosophical categories need to be tightly integrated into experiments, otherwise we build cloud castles and play word games that do not interface usefully with reality. Our innate philosophical concepts are shaped by a lot of evolutionary forces that are not primed for improved insight into the world and we can’t take them too seriously.

      1. Alexander Neshmonin Avatar
        Alexander Neshmonin

        Thank you for such a prompt response, Dr. Levin.

        “Philosophy” and “research” are the “strategy” and “tactics” of mastering knowledge. Philosophy (strategy) defines the worldview; it forms the action plan, while research (tactics) are individual steps that allow this plan to be executed. In this sense, you and your team are in a unique position: the results of your research no longer fit into the generally accepted philosophical paradigm of Life. Judging by your response, it seems to me that you simply have no time for philosophy: you are engaged in insanely exciting things, you don’t have time to waste on rethinking the fundamental foundations of reality.

        Of my four questions, the last two will be most interesting in the context of this article. As I see it, you have long been operating with the concept of “scales” regarding the organization of Life. I prefer the term “hierarchy” and, accordingly, “levels” of Life (but, of course, this is not the main point). Any living creature consists of “levels.” For example, the hierarchy of Life of an animal looks something like this:

        – Organism
        – Organs
        – Cells
        – Proteins
        – Amino acids

        In my view, the transition from Living to Non-Living always concerns only the outermost level of the hierarchy.
        • The organism dies, but the organs are still alive; they can be transplanted into another organism, and they will continue to function.
        • The organs die, but the cells metabolize for some time.
        • The cells die, but the proteins do not decompose long.
        • And so on.

        However, there is no transition from Non-Living to Living at all; a higher level of the hierarchy of Life is simply organized on the shoulders of a given level. Within the generally accepted paradigm of Life, we are convinced that, for example, the level of amino acids is “definitely non-living,” so when Life builds a new level above it, we call it a “transition from Non-Living to Living.”

        Thus, Life never ceases with death: The animal dies, its organs and their cells die in a cascade, proteins decompose, but at this point, the degradation process of Matter ends, giving way to its evolution. Those very amino acids are already integrated into other organisms. These can be decay bacteria or a predatory animal that has consumed the original organism…

        In the discussed article, you essentially found examples where the degradation process does not fall to the level of amino acids but ended right at the cellular level.

        I recently finished working on a small book where I tried to fundamentally rethink the existing philosophical paradigm of Life. Perhaps you would be interested in taking a look (https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7174461094789361664/?originTrackingId=3Cz6UcSuQomrbyktY5Me8w%3D%3D).

        1. Mike Levin Avatar
          Mike Levin

          > you simply have no time for philosophy: you are engaged in insanely exciting things, you don’t have time to waste on rethinking the fundamental foundations of reality.

          🙂 that’s funny, some of my scientist colleagues say I spend too much time on philosophy and re-think the fundamental foundations that don’t need to be disturbed. I guess it’s all in the eye of the beholder, but I do think philosophy is important and not a waste of time. Also, I am not at all sure that the cells/../.. hierarchy you mentioned above is privileged – in other words, we like seeing cells as a discrete level of organization because of our obsession with topological boundaries in 3D space but it’s not clear to me that this is the only (or even the best) way to look at the living material.

          1. Alexander Neshmonin Avatar
            Alexander Neshmonin

            …“we like seeing cells as a discrete level of organization because of our obsession with topological boundaries in 3D space but it’s not clear to me that this is the only (or even the best) way to look at the living material.”

            Oh, absolutely agree! I intentionally chose such a fragment of the hierarchy of Life as an example because it would be the most illustrative. In general, according to my understanding, the most common form of organization of Life is the so-called Quasi-organisms (your concept of “collective intelligence” is probably the closest). I define a Quasi-organism as a representative of Life whose body is not enclosed in a single continuous shell but represents an organized colony of homogeneous autonomous subjective entities. A clear and understandable example of a Quasi-organism is the “Living entity Anthill.” This example is obvious to us because it is situated directly at our level of the hierarchy of Life. There are countless Quasi-organisms at different levels of the Life hierarchy: for example, “The Humanity” is one such Quasi-organism, an organization at a higher level of the hierarchy of Life.

  20. Andrea Avatar
    Andrea

    Calcium Carbonate is a dead rock, until some snail makes a shell out of it. Is the shell alive while the snail is alive? Does the shell die when the snail dies?

    I think it makes more sense to say life is a system of systems, and not ships moving through a dead ocean.

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